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Part 2; This Beer Tastes Like Shit

Posted on: April 6th, 2012 by greg No Comments
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In the initial installment, I , Greg, talked about differences in tastes and perception and other things that really have no defined correct position and therefore saved myself from having to defend my position. I left the part where we discuss the technical side of beer to Tyson. Good luck, buddy.

So Tyson, as difficult as I am sure it is, we are counting on you to quantify the difference between preference and poorly made beer. Flaw vs. ingredient choice. Bacteria vs. Yeast selection. Wild  yeast (as in not-supposed-to be -there)vs. Hop selection. DMS vs. Water profile.  You get the idea.
Okay I’ll try to field this one but this is an excessively difficult topic and one that will most likely alienate a few people.  First, in general, the term “off-flavor”is widely used to denote negative aspects commonly found in beers. Iin reality there are, with a few exceptions, no truly off-flavors.  It is all about what  the beer is meant to taste like and any deviation from what the brewer intended is an off-flavor. For example, 3-methyl-2-butyl-1-thiol (otherwise known as skunky) is generally considered an offensive off-flavor to most brewers and people, but is a purposeful flavor in a certain Dutch beer in a green bottle (which is consequently why it tastes like it does) that people feel is a symbol of class when they bring it to parties.  Another common example is dimethylsulfide, which is a creamed corn sort of smell and is also a purposeful flavor standard in a beer that rhymes with bowling spock, and is a flavor most brewers try to avoid.  There are many more of these that I won’t get into but the general idea is that there are a ridiculous amount of flavor compounds in beer, some good and some bad (in any one individual’s opinion) but if it was intended to be there, it does not make it a bad beer just a beer you don’t like.  The one exception I can think of off the top of my head is a compound called dichlorophenol, which is a plastic sort of aroma and is caused by using incorrect sanitizer and not rinsing it properly.  I know of no beer where this flavor is designed in and it is most commonly found in home brew batches because they tend to use bleach to sanitize bottles.

So after that long winded explanation of off-flavor, I will try to explain how to tell the difference between a beer that someone may just not like and one that went horribly wrong and I’ll try, but probably fail, at keeping my opinion out of it.

Greg says ‘Tyson has strong opinions, which is one of the reasons we value him. He will almost certainly fail at keeping them to himself in this blog, which is one of the reasons we value him.

So, I’ll start off with the topic of yeasts and bacteria.  A huge part of the flavor of beer comes from the yeast and the intensity of those flavors can be controlled by fermentation conditions.  These flavors range from very fruity (many English ale yeasts) to sulfury (lager yeasts and conditions) to clove/medicinal aromas (common in the Belgian yeast strains Greg is so fond of).  This list could go on forever but you get the idea.  These intense flavors some people just don’t like, or in my case, I just don’t like them when they slap you in the face. So if somebody forgot to turn their cooling on, it would be a bad beer, and if they just thought that their beer was delicious fermented at 85 degrees, it would be a beer that I probably wouldn’t like.  You are probably starting to get the idea.  Even bacteria, which, in 99% of all beers would be considered a bad thing, can be on purpose.  Common bacterial flavors include buttery, commonly referred to as “butter bomb” by people that want to sound like rude wine tasters, and a sour flavor produced by lactic acid or acetic acid.  Lactic acid sour is not to be confused with acetic acid sour (I told you this would get complicated), which is more of a vinegar smell.  Acetic acid is never on purpose (that I know of) and indicates some serious process errors.  There is a lot of overlap between yeast and bacteria flavors so the key is to identify the style and goals of the brewer which is difficult because we are kind of mad scientists of sorts.

So, without boring anybody any longer, I will conclude.  The real thing to keep in mind is that most brewers are proud of their beers, even when they taste like shit (damn, I knew I couldn’t keep my opinion out of it).  There are only a few flavors that haven’t been designed into beer at sometime or another and being able to identify the failed batches from the original goals of the brewer are exceedingly difficult.  So next time you have a beer that tastes like shit, make sure there is not actually a turd in your glass and then quietly chalk it up to a beer you don’t like because you never know, without some research, what the brewer intended to be in your glass.  “Quietly” is the key because by saying something out loud you affect everyone’s tasting experience around you (I would like to second this statement-Greg) and you just might be overheard by somebody who makes the stuff who’ll take it personally and then you might just find your beer literally does taste like shit.

Thanks Tyson. In summary, what have we solved? The usual nothing. With any luck we have encouraged a few of the two people reading this blog to take a different look at new beers. Perhaps you will attempt to tease out the things you do like while also identifying the things you don’t, in a new beer. The benefit of this approach is, 1) you don’t sound like a moron, 2) you may make some discoveries by focusing on your palate, and 3) through this process of discovery, you will be able to tell your server ‘I like toasty, biscuit-like flavors, but I don’t really appreciate herbal flavors and aromas’, for example, and end up with a glass of new beer that is to your liking. That is what we strive for, getting a beer that makes you happy. Lend a hand and we will.

PART 1: ‘This beer tastes like shit!’

Posted on: March 21st, 2012 by greg 3 Comments
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Response; “Lady, there are two things I know, one with certainty, one with near certainty. My beer does not taste like shit (certainty), and you don’t really know what shit tastes like (can’t be certain of that).

This was an actual exchange I had with a person at a brewers night at one of our fine local establishments. I should have expected it. I approached a table of people who were obviously A) drunk as shit (certainty) and B) not craft beer drinkers (not certainty, going on stereotypes). After tasting one of our lighter offerings, Biere De Garde if I recall, this statement was made. And to be fair Biere De Garde is brown and has some ‘earthy’ flavors. Not that I know what shit tastes like, but I know what it smells like and can confidently surmise the flavors are necessarily dissimilar.

The point here is that tastes are different. The cretin who made this observation was clearly stating a difference in taste. Biere De Garde is one of our finest and most widely appealing beers, but compared to her Monarch Vodka and reconstituted orange juice beverage, it just wasn’t to her liking.

The conversation about ‘rating’ beer and ‘dissing’ breweries for making bad beers has been growing ever more heated. Breweries are belly-aching about being unfairly criticized for making ‘bad beer’. Enthusiasts are claiming freedom of speech with greater intensity. While I have no solution to this conflict, I feel some education could be helpful.

In a perfect world we would have a rating system that had some caveats. Here are some options for keeping the vocal among us, and the brewers happy;
1. 5 Stars -This is a well made beer, my tastes and tourettes compel me to say ‘it tastes like shit’.
2. 1 Star- But keep in mind I am an idiot who thinks I know everything there is to know about beer because I watched Beer Wars and rate everything that is not oak-aged or from my favorite brewery with a one-star.
3. No Rating. This beer smells like a dirty bandage and is therefore infected and can not be judged. Get your shit together, offending brewery, clean up the process and try again. Surely whatever you intended will have some merit once the bugs are out.

This last rating compels me to turn the discussion over to Tyson, our head brewer, to talk about the difference in flaws (bad beer, unless of course you like it, then we are down to taste again) and designed differences. I personally dislike most Belgian-style beers and sour beers (sophomoric, I know) but I will go to great lengths to determine if I think a beer is well made (For example, I went through two cases of Four Loko trying to quantify the quality level of process and ingredients). They are ‘designed’ to taste like shit, to me, but I know they are not necessarily bad beer.  While I don’t like Belgians, many people do and I would be a fool to rate Hennepin a one star, because that is the one Belgian-style that I actually do like. The rest get a one star.

Stay tuned for Tyson’s installment. It will be forthcoming in a week or two.

you’re welcome.

Greg

my attempt at becoming the holiday cheermeister

Posted on: December 24th, 2011 by natalia No Comments
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This time of year I always feel like Scrooge, and often get accused of being a Scrooge. I don’t buy anything for anyone other than my wife and my kids (although last year, my kids got nothing from me). The usual question “are you ready for christmas?!” that passes for conversation causes my skin to crawl. The assumption being my response will be something like ‘oh, gosh no, i still have to shop for blah blah blah, and i don’t know what to get uncle Jack, and blah de blah”. These activities and conversations are not inherently bad or without merit, and I am sure they do bring some people true pleasure. I just can not busy myself or my mind with these holiday platitudes. Oops, the disdain is creeping back in.

It is not that I truly loathe any of this, well, actually, rampant consumerism I do kind of loathe, but I have nothing against the spirit of giving. In fact, giving can be a powerful action. On occasion, we have chosen to give to Heifer International in lieu of giving to others (my wife is not as cold-hearted as me and has to give in some way). This brings me to the point of my writing. Why do we give so much to our friends and family when, in many cases, they already have so much? This is obviously not the case with everyone who reads this, but for a great deal of Americans, actual ‘needs’ are covered and a great deal of ‘wants’ go fulfilled as well.

This year the brewery joined forces with some other local businesses and individuals and pooled our resources. Together we came up with over $4,000 in cash and services that is going to 3 different families to help them with basic necessities and hopefully a luxury or two. Without help from anyone, it would just be a cold and hard time for them. We started this last year and were joined by others this year, helping us to double the amount we were able to give. We realized that things were going pretty damn good for us. We realized that things are pretty rough for some people in our community. We realized that we would remember helping a family in tough times have a kick ass christmas, while we would most likely forget an ipod nano in a short amount of time. You know what? I remember the family we helped last year like it was yesterday, and it still breaks my heart to think about what they have been through. I don’t remember what my wife got for me last year (sorry Natalia). Natalia doesn’t remember what I got her last year (neither do I), but we still talk about the family that the brewery was able to help.

If you would like to give to this program next year, look for our call to action in November. We would love to see it continue to grow.

And Happy Holidays, even if you are getting a nano.

With Abundant Holiday Cheer,
Greg

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